Retired RCMP Sgt from Caledonia: “Fantino was a complete joke as far as law and order was concerned”

by Natasha on Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:13 am · 10 comments

From Conservatives Against Fantino:

A retired RCMP sergeant living in Caledonia named Bill Dietz has given us permission to publish a letter he emailed to Haldimand-Norfolk’s Conservative Party of Canada Member of Parliament – Cabinet Minister Diane Finley – in which he expressed his anger at the party’s decision to embrace Julian Fantino as the candidate in the riding of Vaughan.

…this is a complete and absolutely unacceptable “middle finger” to every citizen who wishes for decency and the Rule of Law and Order…

This is a man who experienced first-hand Fantino and McGuinty’s race-based policing of Caledonia. Read his whole letter here.

And read Blatchford’s book as soon as it’s available: Helpless: Caledonia’s Nightmare of Fear and Anarchy, and How the Law Failed All of Us

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1 relayer October 21, 2010 at 11:25 am

I’m a “sustaining donor” as well, and like many Conservatives I have real concerns about Julian Fantino being a CPC candidate. However, I’m reserving judgment until I hear who was calling the shots in Caledonia. Was it Fantino, or McGuinty, or ?
Fantino has to answer this question, and right now, before any further damage is done.

2 Natasha October 21, 2010 at 11:31 am

I disagree in part: Fantino was top cop and bears some of the responsibility for going along with the government. An officer — especially Ontario’s top cop — who is committed to law and order would have stood his ground on this issue or resigned. Fantino did neither. He is a political opportunist, and I sincerely hope he goes down in flames.

3 real conservative October 21, 2010 at 12:14 pm

Fantino is a great candidate. Time for some law and order in Ottawa. Everyone knows that Caledonia was a special case, Fantino’s career extends far beyond Caledonia.

4 Natasha October 21, 2010 at 2:01 pm

You can have him. Law & order??? Whose law and whose order? Tell the residents of Caledonia who were screwed over by Fantino that theirs was a “special case.”

For my part, I’ll be hoping and praying for him to go down in flames. Hopefully when Blatchford’s book is launched on the 26th, it will help take him down.

5 Mark Vandermaas October 21, 2010 at 1:25 pm

Thanks for the link M&S, getting lots of readers.

As for whether Fantino was under orders by McGuinty:

1. Race-based policing is illegal. It violates the Human Rights Code, the Charter of Rights and the Ontario Police Services Act which requires officers to uphold both those pieces of legislation, in addition to actually enforcing the law.

2. According to R. v. Catagas the executive branch cannot simply dispense with laws for favoured groups. The case is widely quoted: MANITOBA COURT OF APPEAL: R. v. Catagas, 1977: http://voiceofcanada.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/catagas-1977-38ccc2d2961.pdf

3. A Superior Court judge has already rebuked the OPP for abusing its authority and discretion by refusing to protect a non-native land owner and threatening them with arrest should they exercise their Criminal Code right to remove the trespassers themselves: 1536412 Ontario Ltd. v. HCCC, HDI, ruby & Floyd Montour, Hazel Hill (Cayuga occupation, May-June 2008): http://caledoniavictimsproject.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/1536412-ontario-ltd-v-hccc-hdi-ruby-floyd-montour-hazel-hill-cayuga-occupation-may-june-2008/

4. The whole Ipperwash Inquiry was brought into being because Mike Harris supposedly interfered w/policing by giving orders that natives be removed from the park. (He was cleared.) If McGuinty gave orders not to enforce the law and/or to do so based on racial considerations then they were illegal, and Fantino had a duty to disobey them. I had training in my duty to disobey illegal orders in the Cdn Forces, and I would not have obeyed such orders.

As I read Blatchford’s book the question I have is why so many police officers followed orders they knew were outrageously illegal. I don’t know if I should be impressed by the discipline or scared witless. (The latter, actually)

5. If anyone has irrefutable evidence that McGuinty ordered Fantino not to enforce the law, then I’d sure like to see it. We have evidence that there was political interference at various levels (see this: http://joincanace.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/100201-journalist-quick-ref-evidence.pdf ) and that Fantino was in contact with the Premier’s office and Deputy Minister CS&CS re McHale, but we don’t have a smoking gun.

Blatchford didn’t find it either, so until Fantino or McGuinty says Fantino was under (illegal) orders to conduct racial policing and conduct character assassinations and false arrests on non-native activists, Caledonia (since October 2006) is his to wear.

Strongly suggest that anyone who’s not sure about Fantino take some time to read the resources in this key post stickied to front page. If they don’t curl your hair, nothing will.

http://www.ConservativesAgainstFantino.ca
(Why Conservatives should help us defeat Fantino – FAQs)

Sorry to go on so long, but the ‘just following orders’ defence went out at Nuremberg and I’m a little touchy on it since my parents lived through WWII in Holland, and I’ve seen the exact same phenomenon up close and personal in Caledonia. Forgive me? You’ll understand once you read Christie’s book. As I said in my review to the youtube promo: “…a despicable, ugly story – beautifully told.”

thks again for link!

Regards,
Mark Vandermaas
Editor, VoiceofCanada
Founder, Caledonia Victims Project
Co-founder, Conservatives Against Fantino
info@caledoniawakeupcall.com

6 Natasha October 21, 2010 at 1:54 pm

Mark, thank you for this information! It’s very good to know, and it makes a lot of common sense — what you said about your own training in the military and it being your duty to disobey orders you know to be illegal. Same goes for the police.

As I’ve said before, when Fantino was top cop here in London, I thought very highly of him. I loved the fact that he refused to be politically correct and would speak his mind. However, I’m extremely disgusted with what he allowed and even enabled to occur in Caledonia. I’m angry at the Conservatives, as well, for running him as a candidate. Here’s hoping he fails miserably — I’ll rejoice then.

I’m looking forward to Blatchford’s book.

7 Mark Vandermaas October 21, 2010 at 1:31 pm

Sorry, I put wrong email address in above comment; should be: info@caledoniavictimsproject.ca . Mark

8 Pissedoff October 21, 2010 at 6:14 pm

I hope he goes down and takes Harper the hypocrite with him.
RC if Fantino is the type you and Harper want then as I have suspected since 2006 it is another liberal party. Fantino was the top cop on the line and if he got illegal orders should have told McLiar to shove it.

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