Saudi Arabia removed MB books from schools because they preach violence and extremism; our government funds extremism here in Canada with our extorted tax dollars:
“The Israeli invasion has won (Israel) the trophy as the Offical State of Terrorism, Racism & Crimes against humanity”
“…the Israeli army is conducting a new genocide against children…”
“our celebration this year takes another dimension because of the tragic events due to the terrorist racist zionists”
And this isn’t the first radical Islamist school they’ve funded; read it all.
















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Well we can look to the Tall Forehead types in Europe to show us our future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Shlvki1dToY
Ironic that PMSH is in Vancouver today giving a speech touting the multi-kulti policy as being so wonderful for Canuckistan.
It’s funny how people assume “islamic schools” to be radical. Quite ridiculous indeed. Canadian government has been funding countless Christian school! Get a grip, if you live in Canada accept all the different kinds of religions and the schools they have built for their people.
Islamic Sharia, is far beyond the idea you hold about it. Do not judge.
This is Islamic Sharia from the Muslim Canadian Congress: http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20051012.html
It had NO place in a civilized, free society.
Islamic schools not radical? You need to “get a grip” — on reality: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356361/Shame-Britains-Muslim-schools-Secret-filming-shows-pupils-beaten.html
I am Muslim, and let me tell you.
There is a difference between TRADITION and RELIGION.
Half the things media portrays has nothing to do with the religion Islam. People should stop being so gullible. If you really think there is something wrong with the religion islam itself then go to the sources, read the Quran and tell me what you think about it.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The first link I provided you was by Muslims — the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC). It discusses the facts about Sharia and why it is NOT compatible with a free and civilized society that believes in separation of church (or in this case mosque) and state.
The second link contains news — including undercover film footage — of Islamic schools in the UK teaching religious Apartheid and hate, of the beating of children, etc. All by reporter Tazeen Ahmad who says these schools need more scrutiny.
Instead of searching into these “Islamic Websites” (most are not even made by muslims), why don’t you go to the original sources such as the Quran, and witness the truth for yourself. The internet is a great resource, but depending on it is not the smartest thing to do.
I can go commit many crimes and come out calling myself a Christian. Your mixing up two different concepts here. People and religion.
You should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY
It’s a video titled “How the Bible Led Me to Islam: The Story of a Former Christian Youth Minister – Joshua Evans” on YouTube. Here you can witness the truth yourself.
Again, you have a comprehension issue: the Muslim Canadian Congress is not simply a website. It is a Muslim organization, started by Muslims, for Muslim Canadians. Read: http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/mission.html.
And here’s something for you to see in answer to Joshua Evans’ false claims: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008/12/i-was-going-to-wait-until-james.html.
This is a very interesting topic, I see what your trying to say Natasha. But perhaps you have not been revealed to the truth in regards to the religion of Islam. Joshua Evans like many other great speakers go around the western countries informing people the truth. An eye-opening discussion!
Yes, I notice that Joshua Evans left Christianity for Islam and was not set upon by Christians wanting to execute him for apostasy.
Non-Muslims in predominantly Islamic countries are not accorded the same freedoms as Muslims, and the reason is that Islam is not simply a religion. It is a political ideology that governs all areas of life. Look at the death threats (fatwas) against people like Aayan Hirsi Ali and Said Musa for the “crime” of leaving Islam. Look at Egypt where a majority Muslim population — while fighting for “freedom” — indicate they believe in death for apostates.
Now, what is your position, as a Muslim on one of your co-religionists leaving Islam? Let’s say, for instance, you have a family member, perhaps a daughter who decides as an adult that she wants to leave Islam for Christianity or Judaism. How would you react to that news?
Natasha, I’m sorry to say but your ideas in regards to islam are all incorrect.
James has made a few valid points but I believe the bigger question is “Is the Bible the word of God” or the words of men (dozens of them) written over centuries and full of contradictions/interpolations and mixed messages. We encourage all people of conscience to study the bible in its entirety and then compare it to the Holy Quran which is the direct word of God unchanged and completed during the life of the final messanger of God, Muhammad.
Here is a very good point Danielle made:
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I think it is funny how all the Muslims here are preaching tolerance and the Christians are preaching hate and intolerance. I refuse to even watch the videos because I know they will be full of ignorance. I refuse to break the peace Allah has given me just to see it. I am a recent convert and I am a white American girl. I have never been particularly religious though I have always tried to be a good person. When my fiance converted I was devastated because I would have to convert if I wished to marry him. I did not want to call myself something I wasn’t (unlike many Christians today who don’t even follow the teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him, and the Bible). But we made an oath of trust that I would believe him and try it. He was in an extremely bad situation being homeless for 2 months and Allah had provided him food and money when he asked. I knew there was some truth. After 2 weeks of consistent prayer and squashing the doubts Shitan whispered in my ear, I finally felt this amazing and overwhelming sensation of joy and peace. I had finally understood Truth. No one had to tell me. I read on my own. Allah then fixed my life and lifted my veil so that I could see clearly. Before I wondered aimlessly only moving deeper into darkness.
The only thing keeping anyone (including Christians) from converting to Islam and understanding Truth is pride. Your pride stands in your way and you side with the jinn (demons) who will not bow to those they feel superior to. You will not bow to God as God. You don’t want to be wrong or see things differently. Islam came to correct the mistakes of man and former Knowledge that was sent and perverted.
If you have no pride and are humble as God wills, you will bow to him and ask him to guide you perfectly as he wishes. You put too much importance on wordly things such as money and traditions. It is only your arrogance that speaks when you claim to know better than God.
If you truly loved Jesus(pbuh), then you would be following his teachings of love, compassion, charity, and humility. Most adult Christians are hateful, racist, and act as though they know all that God knows and can enact punishment against others in his name.
But it does not matter. We are told not to worry with those who we cannot help or show the path, for Allah has cursed them with veiled eyes to wonder deeper into sin and despair. Allah saves who he wills. If you gave Islam a chance to touch your heart, surely you would be overcome with joy and enlightened by Allah himself.
It has completely changed my life so truly you all do not know what you are talking about when you speak hate against Islam and your own God you claim to love.
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And you will find endless stories like these. A matter of fact, islam is the quickest growing religion, but I am sure you have already figured that out. Whether it is a muslim organization or not–STICK to the SOURCE.
Islam is not politics, its a religion, a way of life that if followed correctly will lead to ultimate reward and satisfaction in the end, jannah(paradise). You should watch the Deen Show on youtube. Just a tidbit you might want to know, muslims don’t convert to other religions, not the ones that know their stuff. You will NEVER see so many muslim scholars convert to Christianity. It’s always the other way around.
Anyways, I am not here to debate, but just spread the word of truth. May god guide us all to the righteous path ameen!
God gives everyone a chance to be exposed to the religion of islam, and know what its about. I wish you would just try to see the truth. If you ever change your mind or would like to know the real truth about Islam let me know, I would be more then happy to show you.
Good luck and take care.
I don’t know who Danielle is, but this is the sign of a closed mind and intolerance: “I refuse to even watch the videos because I know they will be full of ignorance. I refuse to break the peace Allah has given me just to see it. I am a recent convert and I am a white American girl.”
If your religious belief is as strong as you say than there is nothing that could shake it. But obviously it is weak and you are afraid to see what is happening under your own nose.
And a truly tolerant religious person would accept others’ religious choices instead of denigrating their beliefs the way you have.
Therein lies the problem of all fundamentalists. Neither the Bible nor the Quran is the word of a supreme being. Both were written by mortal men. Only extremists believe otherwise.
I know you are trying to proselytize, but you have failed miserably. I am not blind to your taqiyya, and I will NEVER convert to your death cult. So no spiritual reward here for “saving a soul.”
I’ve gotten no answer from either you or Ismail as to the standard punishment for apostates from Islam. What about homosexuality? What does your Quran or Hadiths or Suras say about that? What about the punishment for a woman who refuses to be obedient? What about polygamy? If polygamy is allowed in Islam, why is it only men who can have extra wives? Why can’t a woman have more than one husband? And what about the Jewish people? How do mainstream Muslims such as yourself feel about Jews?
You claim everything I know about Islam is wrong. I tell you, I know you are full of taqiyya and readily spreading it here. I know, for instance, that Sharia is the goal here in North America and worldwide:
That is all the proof I need that Islam is NOT tolerant of other religions. Islam seeks to impose Sharia (Islamic law) on everyone — with NO respect for their differing religious beliefs. Islam is the MOST intolerant of all religions.
From A Conversation About Islam:
Nour and Ismail believe I should read the Quran. I believe we all should. Citizen Warrior believes so as well, and recommends A Simple Koran, which puts the Muslim holy book back into chronological order so that it makes sense. He also recommends An Abridged Koran, which simply takes out all the repetition. Both are available through Amazon and other sources.
And unlike Muslims who refuse to look at or read anything that might upset their very shaky faith, I will be happy to be open-minded enough to read the Quran.
I wish I had the time to sit on the internet all day and reply to these. Your questions are all so common. If you lived in Calgary and there was a way to meet, I would be more then happy to invite you to many islamic conferences and clarify your confusions.
Many muslim scholars have read and memorized bibles, and are able to indicate the mistakes.
Read the Quran and “If you are in doubt about it, then bring a book like it.”
A challenge from the Lord of the Worlds. . Read For Yourself, you can order the Quran Online for free:
http://www.allahsquran.com/free/
If you don’t want to order it, then you can read it online. If you go to that website at the top and click “Read”, you’ll see an online version of the Quran. Choose the surah you want and the translator you prefer. They are all the same except some translators say it in a different way in order for the reader to understand.
It’s a great website.
Take Care
Nour,
What sect are you?
Sunni.
Follow the Quran and Sunnah
Well Nour, you deny that Islam is political, but the facts on the ground and the history recording the spread of Islam through war would prove otherwise.
Not so interestingly enough, you refuse to answer Natasha’s questions regarding the treatment proscribed for Apostates and Blasphemers, let alone the relegation of women as second class citizens and personal property.
Tell me Nour, what do you think of the Ahmidya?
This is what I know, and this is what I have personally experienced in Afghanistan:
“Religion is part of life, in Dar al-Harb. Life is part of Religion, in Dar al-Islam.” – inspired by Sam Solomon.
Islam is not simply a religion. Islam is a socio-political system. It is a socio-political, socio-religious, socio-economic, socio-educational, socio-judicial, legislatic, militaristic system cloaked in, garbed in religious terminology.
Islam came out from Arabia not with missionaries talking peace, but with hordes of assassins who marched into the surrounding world and subjugated them by force.
Islam is a system, and wherever there is a Muslim community, there will be Sharia. Wherever there is a Sharia, there is an Islamification of the territory and ultimately of that nation.
You walk among us for a reason. Islam is Al-Hijra – the wearing of Islamic dress in western lands conditions those in Dar al-Harb to accept Islam and their eventual conversion to it.
As long as you refuse to openly debate and answer the difficult and awkward facts of your Sunni Ilsam, hiding amongst the Suras and the Sunnah will not make the inconvenient reality go away.
Islam is not Peace, it is submission. Complete and absolute submission. And such submission doesn’t allow for tolerance or equality of other faiths, beliefs or absence thereof in a secular way.
I already talked to Natasha about this, you may reread the posts if you like =) Simply put, you don’t have the right perspective of Islam or Sharia. And once again– read the Quran.
Ahmadiya? I don’t even know why you brought that up. I don’t think anything of them or anyone else. I follow the Quran and Sunnah. Read Surat Al-Kafirun, http://www.AllahsQuran.com/read/verses.php?ch=109 and the translations. It might clarify the little confusion.
Take Care
Alright, here we go again.
I brought up the Ahmadiya because they’ve been branded apostates by all the other sects for renouncing violent Jihad, which in Islamic terms means “they should be put to death.”
I included a response to your Sharia here:
http://mooseandsquirrel.ca/2011/03/03/21:59/dispatch-46-%e2%80%93-why-am-i-here-part-4/
And as Muslims will typically not debate and only point to the Quran as the devine guidance, not that you would address abrogation at any point, lets look at some of the goodies I’ve found at the link you provided, shall we?
(and remember, that because of the literal interpretations of your Religion of Peace, such intollerance and violence and terrorism against all non-Muslims has been visited upon this Planet since Mohamed started his cult)
- Killing of non-believers:
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al-Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
Those who disbelieve in the signs of Allah and kill the prophets without right and kill those who order justice from among the people – give them tidings of a painful punishment.
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
- The use of perfidy to kill non-Muslims:
You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain security from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] disbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer you peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them. And those – We have made for you against them a clear authorization.
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
- The glory of dying for Allah’s cause:
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.
- A slave is better than an infidel:
And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember.
- Medieval punishment for sex out of wedlock:
The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse – lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
- The blood debt can be paid instead of justice:
O you who have believed, prescribed for you is legal retribution for those murdered – the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But whoever overlooks from his brother anything, then there should be a suitable follow-up and payment to him with good conduct. This is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy. But whoever transgresses after that will have a painful punishment.
- Taking your slave girl as a wife:
And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls.
- Treat your slaves (right hand possesses) well (notice, it’s OK to have slaves in Islam – which is why slavery continued officially in Yemen until the ‘60s):
Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful.
- Free sex anytime with your slave girl:
And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
- And it’s OK to kill if you claim it is a mistake, for all you have to do is release a slave or fast or something else not to inconvenient…:
And never is it for a believer to kill a believer except by mistake. And whoever kills a believer by mistake – then the freeing of a believing slave and a compensation payment presented to the deceased’s family [is required] unless they give [up their right as] charity. But if the deceased was from a people at war with you and he was a believer –then [only] the freeing of a believing slave; and if he was from a people with whom you have a treaty – then a compensation payment presented to his family and the freeing of a believing slave. And whoever does not find [one or cannot afford to buy one] – then [instead], a fast for two months consecutively, [seeking] acceptance of repentance from Allah. And Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
- Extortion is OK:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
- We’ve been seeing Al-Shabbab carry out this peaceful punishment:
[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
- The right to have sex with your wives whenever the mood strikes you:
Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.
- Men have the final say regarding divorce:
Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
- Men have the final say, regardless:
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
- Women need four witnesses when accused of adultery:
And those who accuse their wives [of adultery] and have no witnesses except themselves – then the witness of one of them [shall be] four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the truthful.
Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women – bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.
- As a Muslim, do not integrate into (non-Islamic) society:
And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification.
- Beat your disobedient wive(s):
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
- It is OK to terrorize infidels:
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.
Do not make [your] calling of the Messenger among yourselves as the call of one of you to another. Already Allah knows those of you who slip away, concealed by others. So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet’s order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment.
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah – never will He waste their deeds.
- Beat your slaves into submission so that they may be believers:
[We said], “And take in your hand a bunch [of grass] and strike with it and do not break your oath.” Indeed, We found him patient, an excellent servant. Indeed, he was one repeatedly turning back [to Allah].
- Why women in Islam should cover themselves up, so that no one will desire them (‘cause men can’t control their urges doncha know):
And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their head covers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.
Now please, tell me I don’t have the right perspective, but don’t insult my intelligence by refuting all of this by simply saying I’m taking it out of context without including the concept of abrogation.
And don’t get me started on the Hadiths, we’ll be here all bloody day.
This is really funny. My best friend is Ahmadiya, so I don’t know what your saying.
I’m not insulting your intelligence, I’m sure you can use it to do proper research though. I mean read before and after the aya of the Quran. I can randomly give you statements from the bible that are violent/sexual etc… You sound like an intelligent person that can do proper research, so do it. Yes, we will be here forever since you have the wrong ideas about islam and I don’t know who’s been teaching you but you need to go to the correct sources.
Anyways I will end it with this:
Whenever we have sent a messenger [among a people, he would speak] in the language of his people, to make [God's commandments] clear to them. Then [after the message is delivered], God leads astray whoever He pleases and guides [to the right path] whoever He pleases. And He is Mighty, Wise.
The first among the two cited verses, declares that God guides to the truth (the right path), while the second of the two verses states that God only guides, whom He pleases, to the right path, the rest, for whom He pleases, He leads astray.
“God leads astray whoever He pleases”. I pray that you nor anyone else is one of them.
And may god forgive and guide us all.
Ameen.
Take Care =)
“This is really funny. My best friend is Ahmadiya, so I don’t know what your saying.”
Are you completely unfamiliar with the concept of apostasy?
So you’re dismissing parts of the Quran. Are you saying you can pick and choose which parts are applicable and which parts are not?
You cite similar passages in the Bible, but I doubt you know what you’re talking about. You are probably only repeating what you’ve been told. Yes, there are violent passages, but they can be found in the Old Testament, which is not what Christianity is founded on.
Unlike the Quran, the Bible isn’t an all encompassing set of rules but is a retelling of stories. And unlike the Quran, the latter passages don’t abrogate the earlier ones.
So why won’t you address abrogation? Why do you dismiss the very passages which for a good portion of Islam are taken as the word of Allah? Why would you only accept some and not all of the Quran?
If, according to you, I’ve got the wrong idea about Islam, it isn’t because I’ve only taken random suras or have cherry picked from the Sunnah; it is because I’ve seen with my own eyes how Islam has screwed up the world; it is because Muslims, despite their denial that the generous portions of Islamic text teach intolerance and treat women and non-believers like second class citizens, can’t disprove that it is such a reality in all of the 57 states of the OIC.
If you can refer me to the religious authority that allows you only pick the random peaceful messages within Islam and ignore the others, you’ll have a leg to stand on. The Ahmaddiya, for their renouncement of violent Jihad, have a death fatwa on all their heads for even partially thinking that way. Therefore, you’re either blowin’ sunshine up my rear, or you’re just hopin’ I’ll nod my head and believe what you’re selling contrary to the evidence, the largest bit being 16892 terror attacks in the name of Islam since 9/11 as of this posting.
Nour, [deleted]
May allah increase your [deleted].
[deleted]
English only on this site please. Since both you and Nour have the same (school) IP, you can connect through other campus sources to speak your own language.
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