I despised his politics, but I admired his tenacity. And I was quite sad to hear of his passing this morning. From his final letter to Canadians:
My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world.
Unfortunately, some NDPers couldn’t pass up the opportunity to voice their true nature. How they “honor” Layton’s memory:
Love is better than anger
And what memorial to Mr Layton would be complete without some fear mongering:
Hope is better than fear
UPDATES…
Plus l’amour des partisans de Jack Layton: Au juste, pourquoi ce n’est pas STEPHEN HARPER, a la place de Jack Layton 
And on it goes… @bunnyslut, @BrendanCollinge, @trenchgasm
This person – @risquelibrarian – has it backwards: Somewhere in the bowels of parliament, Harper is rubbing his hands and cackling with glee. It’s her peers who are fantasizing how happy they would have been if only our PM had died instead.
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And with that I’m done posting any more sneers from socialist simpletons. Rest in peace anyway, Mr Layton — in spite of the sort of followers you’ve inspired.
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UPDATE: Christie Blatchford provides a more balanced perspective (to the media fawning and disturbed supporters):
The PM in fact was one of a very few voices of reason to be found on the airwaves — he remembered Mr. Layton kindly and with evident regard, but he had perspective and did not fawn.
And what to make of that astonishing letter, widely hailed as Mr. Layton’s magnificent from-the-grave cri de coeur?
It was extraordinary, though it is not Mr. Solomon’s repeated use of that word that makes it so.
Rather, it’s remarkable because it shows what a canny, relentless, thoroughly ambitious fellow Mr. Layton was. Even on Saturday, two days before he died, he managed to keep a gimlet eye on all the campaigns to come.
The letter is full of such sophistry as “We can restore our good name in the world,” as though it is a given Canada has somehow lost that, bumper-sticker slogans of the “love is better than anger” ilk and ruthlessly partisan politicking (“You decided that the way to replace Canada’s Conservative federal government with something better was by working together with progressive-minded Canadians across the country,” he said in the section meant for Quebecers).
The letter is vainglorious too.
Who thinks to leave a 1,000-word missive meant for public consumption and released by his family and the party mid-day, happily just as Mr. Solomon and his fellows were in danger of running out of pap? Who seriously writes of himself, “All my life I have worked to make things better”?
The letter was first presented as Mr. Layton’s last message to Canadians, as something written by him on his deathbed; only later was it more fully described as having been “crafted” with party president Brian Topp, Mr. Layton’s chief of staff Anne McGrath and his wife and fellow NDP MP Olivia Chow.
Mr. Layton wrote it, as Mr. Topp told Mr. Solomon, “in his beautiful, energy-retrofitted house” in downtown Toronto. These people never stop.
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Final UPDATE (then I’m done with this and movin’ on):
Apparently my Retweet of another’s tweet — see here: http://twitter.com/#!/mooseandskwerl/status/106103940847898624 is the equivalent of “rejoicing in someone’s death” — see here: http://twitter.com/#!/balthcat/status/106127213627326464
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These partisan echo chambers are hilarious — are you really so blind as to believe “socialists” have a monopoly on crude, immature outbursts?
I suggest a visit to the Globe and Mail’s website and a viewing of the lowest-ranked entries on any of the stories related to Jack Layton’s passing: you’ll find no end of similarly revolting commentary from those ostensibly on your side of the political spectrum.
In the end, it’s this us-vs-them mentality, a draught from which you obviously drink deeply, that is the true danger to this country. You only have to look at the political situation south of the border to see where it will take us.
Open your mind.
I checked it out and though some were less than kind, I didn’t see anybody dancing on Layton’s grave; whereas socialists do revel in death, especially when wishing for the demise of those they disagree with. (An unrelated example: http://mooseandsquirrel.ca/2010/10/02/10:28/the-fallout-from-1010s-snuff-fantasy-film-no-pressure/)
Now, perhaps the Globe removed the most distasteful comments — maybe you have a screencap?
“Whereas socialists do revel in death, especially when wishing for the demise of those they disagree with”
Using the ridiculous ravings of a fringe environmental group as evidence to bolster your own, equally ridiculous ravings. Ha ha ha ha ha … how asinine.
Problem is in the example I provided you couldn’t be more wrong. They weren’t a “fringe” group at all. And if you had followed the links and/or followed the story at the time, you would know that.
What you fail to realize is that the “Fringe element” of the Left, and/or socialists is the norm. Something the Left tries to take attention away from by accusing the right of doing “as the norm”, which is not the truth.
Liberals, the Left, and all those left of center accept using the magician’s trick of distraction through lies and the support of violence of death is the norm. On the right, not so much. That’s why we’re tired of leftist ideology. Didn’t work for Che and it won’t work for you.
“What you fail to realize is that the “Fringe element” of the Left, and/or socialists is the norm.”
If that makes you feel better.
“Liberals, the Left, and all those left of center accept using the magician’s trick of distraction through lies and the support of violence of death is the norm.”
Yes, because it’s always leftists calling for and profiting from wars. That’s why the word “hawk” is usually synonymous with “socialist”.
Or, no, wait — it isn’t.
“Hawk” is a term used by the Left, and more wars have been fought under Liberal governments in Canada and Democratic governments in the US. So you were saying?
“Fringe group”? Leftists everywhere pursue death.
David Suzuki is on record as saying there should be no more than 1 billion people on the planet. To achieve this goal would require the death of 6 billion people, the greatest genocide in history.
Leftists of all stripes support abortion on demand. Last year, almost 1 million abortions were performed in Canada. What is abortion if not death?
It’s people on the left who are actively supporting assisted suicide and euthanasia. More death.
I don’t expect you to respond with any substance; lefties never do. You’ll just enter some drive-by sneer, insulting me, and accusing me of being in an echo chamber, when you can’t see the death cult you worship.
“Last year, almost 1 million abortions were performed in Canada. What is abortion if not death?”
Accourding to http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo23a-eng.htm
by the medium growth rate charge there are about 8 million women in child bearing age in canada… so you are saying that 12% of these woman had abortions last year? Seems a little high to me.
If you trust wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada the number should be in 100,000 range
If I told you once, I told you a million times..dont exagerate.
BTW, I never said socialists have a “monopoly on crude” — I was simply identifying his supporters as socialists, which they must be if they adhered to his (Layton’s) political beliefs.
As though that wasn’t your implication — “look, here’s my blog, exposing the hypocrisy and immaturity of socialist simpletons!”
Fact: I’ve known literally hundreds of leftists, socialists, whatever you want to call us, during my lifetime–and not more than a tiny handful of them (usually the young, brash ones) have ever “[wished] for the demise of those they disagree with”.
If 10:10 did the same, and I see now that conclusion is no more than your extemely liberal (if you will allow) interpretation of their works, then they are by definition a “fringe group”.
I almost hate to break it to you–since you sound like your bunker is nearly built–but most Canadian leftists are exceedingly reasonable people, just like (wait for it!) most right-leaning people.
Truth time: it’s people like you who ruin the conversation for the rest of us, and not because you’re a conservative. No, it’s your braying exaggerations, your intellectual dishonesty, your sweeping generalizations — just like the worst marxist/leninist utopian blowhard, you add nothing and serve only to get in the way of reasonable discourse.
One only has to look at the embarrassingly common set of rigid rightist memes lining the column of your blog to see that this is so. You are the mirror of all you despise on the left. Doesn’t that make you cringe?
I agree that most on either side of the political spectrum are reasonable, but most of them don’t know the issues or debate them, or even vote.
Now. For those of us who do, engage a Liberal in a discussion and bring up some facts and see how far you get. Just try using some of the conservative points in you next discussion to see what reactions you get from your lefty friends. Then try it with your conservative friends.
Gage their responses and the vitriol and then get back to me or M&S and you’ll see that debate and reasoning is not a skill that has been taught through the school systems en masse in the former British North America for about 40 years.
Liberal-think-thought-creep is the norm, so when quote a few words from Natasha to make your point and then throw in “bunker mentality”, the regular Liberal Ad Hominem comes out because you can’t help yourself.
Point out the obvious and you call us names or blame anyone for the ills but never debate or provide facts. As a result, you get called a name for name calling and then you come back and use the very same straw man argument based on name calling while you, once again, “name call.”
Grow up already and read some history and facts and stop taking what ever everybody tells you from your party of choice as true gospel.
Oh wait, that’s right, most on the Left don’t believe in religion and therefore have a flexible and pliant moral center.
And before you come back and bash Christian influence, just reflect on where the mores of our society came from to give birth to the socialist ideas which Canada has partly accepted into the fabric of our society.
Doing unto others under Charity has been hijacked by the Left as Doing unto others under entitlement. And don’t you forget it ’cause some faceless person has to pay rather than facing your neighbour to ask them for help.
Which now boils down to community and acceptance rather than social engineering. Communities help each other out, where as Leftist societies impose a tax to fund their social engineering to fund their vision of the country; which is counter to the government being of the people.
I disagree Ben. Having some 30 years experience in Canadian political systems and actually having been a Union and NDP riding apparatchik, I have to admit I never met a socialist, or any other flavor of left wing utopian, who did not believe they have a divine right to break moral codes – be it being disingenuous about intent or just an overall relaxed attitude towards civility and ethics. The great cause justifies all – there is a mountain of crimes hidden under the all-encompassing blanket of >the greater good”. So-called committed socialists are the worst I have ever seen for this.
Yes many “socialists are seemingly very nice reasonable people who do not share the blood lust for revolutionary social change their radical brethren do – but when you corner them and tell them that ALL collectivist statist solutions are based in theft of property (non voluntary property redistributing or forced altruism) they explode with the vilest ad hominems and seething hatreds.
As a committed libertarian I discovered the core definition of crime is to use force to make a peaceful individual do what he would not do voluntarily – this describes the very nature of statist collectivist political solutions. The fact the new government worshipping socialists want even more state force to extort even more property/production/compliance from individuals ( who by doing so are not acting in their own best interests), makes me adjudge socialists to be people who knowingly or unknowingly support a political ideology which justifies criminal social solutions – not unlike a state-run Mafia protection racket.
So rail on about the moral superiority and reasonableness of committed socialists but to me the very best I can say about this ideology is it promotes criminal acts as a justifiable agenda for the state. Consider this: Probably the most moral thing you can do is to simply leave people alone to seek their own potential. You cannot call the natural inequity in success or failure between individuals “social injustice” to do so is to deny human nature and the natural human condition – and you certainly cannot right any “social injustice” by raking state sponsored injustice on those who succeed or do not welcome state intervention in their natural right to self-determination.
In my ream of reason, socialism and all its siblings are another one of mankind’s bad ideas to be filed in there with Tyranny, Oligarchy, Corporatism, Fascism and all the other “isms” which do not respect an individual’s right to exist for his own benefit and not that of some state, corporation or political or religious cause.
I may agree with you that many of the “nice people” you call socialists are probably blissfully unaware of the inherent criminality and state sponsored tyranny their political ideology has at its operative core. In their case I would say that they are just nice people who have unwittingly succumbed to the misrepresentation of a malignant ideology.
So, have a nice day and I hope I may have given you “reasonable socialists” something to ponder which may hasten your political catharsis/maturation.
Uh I think the point of the post was that Layton followers are the obsessed partisan myopics you decry – certainly he has the young naive and stupid demographic.
And if you want to put the us vs them mentality in check start with your own attitude. Most of the posters here are NOT Harper fans and tend to be populist libertarians – so do some research before you talk out of your anus.
You’re right — I’m certainly NOT a Harper fan. He’s a CINO and a huge disappointment true conservatism. But I certainly do not wish death on him.
Really shameless show of immaturity from the Left. If anybody from either the Libs or Cons are displaying similar attitude, then shame on them as well.
Absolutely.
Allah bless Christie Blatchford for writing that column!
Hate isn’t limited to the Left,they’re just less mature about covering their feelings. Most of the commenters who posted “I wish it had been Harper instead” ,I’d assume are very young,the types that plaster their emotions on the web. Some day their comments may come back to haunt them.
It’s hard to restrain one’s self when commenting on the death of a politician from the opposite end of the political spectrum,but I wonder if those who detested the person all his/her political life,and are suddenly moved to start with the “Canadian icon”,”man of principle” remarks do so out of guilt for their hatred, rather than genuine feelings of loss.
Jack Layton was a competent politician and Parliamentarian,but his death moves me only from the perspective that prostate cancer is a very real adversary in my family. Dad died from it,older brother has been operated on twice for it. I truly hate to think of the suffering the man must have gone through. I hope the doctors were able to make his last few weeks as painless as possible.
Yes, her POV was quite reasonable and sane. As to the haters, yes, it comes from all sides. The ones in this case were quite immature. I can’t say I’ve ever hated a person based on their politics — hated their political beliefs, yes — the person, no.
My grandfather died of prostate cancer back in the 60s, and I’ve known a few friends in their 40s and 50s who’ve had surgery for it. Not at all pleasant…
I hear ya. PSA counts through clinical blood checks every six months minimum is the best way. Other than that, all I can say is get yourself a water machine that reduces the acidic content to keep the genetics of our families from having a chance to get a foothold.
Living to a ripe old age has been proven to be genetically linked, regardless of life style; but it doesn’t mean you can’t give yourself an edge. What we put into our bodies is what we are. Some folks can filter life better than others; those who can’t should consider the…well…the fact that they’re going to die unless they get a cure to aging better than their ancestors.
I am having a hard time believing he is dead. Jack Layton is such a feisty little bastard. He will make a superb winged one, he was quite the premier in life. It just makes death so in your face with him dying. It could happen to any of us. I think I am going to take up smoking and drinking again. Fuck it, if the grim reaper can pick up Jack up and carry him away, without much notice, what is stopping him from taking any of us?
I know what you mean. Even after seeing that last press conference where he looked so weak, I still figured he’d win that fight too.
Communists are hypocrites…
Couldn’t agree more!
So you took the time to scour through a million twitter users tweets on Jack Laytons death and your surprised that their are assholes out there? Congratulations on finding what you wanted to find.
I didn’t have to “scour” as you put it. It came streaming through the feed quite plentiful. I only posted a small sample, then ignored the rest of Layton’s loser supporters.
You are contradicting yourself when you decry the left as “simpletons” and tout your right wing politics, as you insult millions of people that supported him. You are doing exactly what your are arguing against, by calling us all haters. I suggest to you that generalization will not serve well for your argument.
Pett…
There is a big difference between pointing out left wing hatred (which Natasha is doing) and wishing death on Harper.
RE: “Layton cancer was an inside job” Bwaaaa Hahahahahahaha – OMG that has to be the most anti-intellectual statement ever made on the net! It has it all – truther paranoia, Dipper gullibility and leftist surrealism. Obviously Layton captured the imaginations of Canada’s not-too-bright youth.
Re: Dipper mysticism wishing cancer on Harper – reveals that the core Dipper constituency takes the most personal human events beyond the political realm to some form of religious cultism crusading against their own fear and loathing. Sad really.
I’m like most people, I admired Layton for his adhesion to the principles he held to be right, while totally disagreeing with his collectivist statism dogma. He was a fixture in Canada’s left political landscape and a worthy opponent, too bad he has attracted such a bunch of neurotic psychological cripples in his support base. Perhaps with Jack’s stabilizing influence gone the party will now cast adrift on the seas of pure lunacy?
The comments were quite immature. Blatchford’s piece was the sanest of any media type out there — she’s right: the rest of them are over the top with their praises of Layton. They’ve elevated him to sainthood — and that’s something coming from what is probably a bunch of atheists.
Like you, I couldn’t stand the man’s politics, but I also couldn’t help admiring him.
Layton`s passing is a loss for his side of the political spectrum and he will be missed. Rest in peace Jack.
The main reason I am posting this morning is to let you know that this post was the closing comment on the Dave Rutherford Show on QR77 this morn. Dave has been THE staple conservative talk show in Alberta for many years. I was really surprised when he started his wrap up of the 10 t0 11 hour featuring Moose & Squirrel.
I’ve been getting a lot of traffic to that post — that must be the reason. Well, that and SDA linked to me.
It’s beyond sad/pathetic how more than a few NDP supporters used the occasion of Jack Layton’s passing to wish death upon Canada’s PM. Beyond the vile nature of their desires, they also clearly showed how absolutely little they actually cared for Layton.
It’s an extremely immature reaction, for sure. Talk about arrested development…
BTW, Robert, love your photos — I’ve added a link to you in my Canadiana section.
I thought this was a great site…..right up until I saw the “Support Israel” flag. Jews are the MOST racist, evil destructive people on the planet. They wish us all be slaves to the Jews. Look it up…..hundreds of Rabbis saying this as it is taught in their religion. So good bye HATE supporters…….moose and squirrel…….
Good riddance to you too, asshole!
BTW, your hateful comment gives me the idea that maybe I should put a “Stand With Israel” banner right at the top of my site just to scare away all you losers right off the bat.
Some Rabbis do quote some Torah scriptures that could be construed as racism, but actually it’s just that they preach that they’re better than everybody else, not that all other faiths should submit or convert to it, unlike the ROP dopes.
I was always told (in jest) by a number of Catholic pals that I was gonna burn in hell for being a Protestant, according to what they were taught — and we’re all part of the same faith – Christianity. Well, I am a former member of the United Church and you couldn’t confuse what they preach with any real Christian beliefs, so…
Hubby’s an RC (retired Catholic) and he concurs I’m gonna burn in hell.
Bloody Heretic. Probably why St. Joe had such a hard time selling your house:)
That’s gotta be it!
Guess I should get one myself.
“Jews are the MOST racist, evil destructive people on the planet. They wish us all be slaves to the Jews. Look it up”
Uh huh I see Richaed – and I suppose, by that reasoning 9/11 was an inside job, Al Gore is a prophet, Al Queda is a misunderstood philanthropic organization, fish live in trees and the aliens will be getting angry at us for not enbracing paranoid leftwing superstition.
OMG Natasha every demented conspiracy loon has taken up residence in the left end of the gene pool.
Enough of the false accolades already. The truth of the matter was, and still is, that Jack Layton was nothing but a profressional parasite his entire adult life.
He grew rich by stealing from the makers. He, and his progressive wife lived in subsidized housing while calling for more taxes to fund his undeserved lifestyle.
Jack was a liar and a thief. His wife still is. You likely are too Richard, you massive useful idiot.
Progressives are a greedy, disgusting, foul pieces of humanity.
I can wait to speak ill of the dead until after their funeral.
“Progressives are a greedy, disgusting, foul pieces of humanity.”
Natasha, you must be proud to attract commentators of such high intellectual caliber to your site.
“Jack was a liar and a thief. His wife still is.”
So legally profiting from subsidized housing is thievery? Even if that were the case–frankly, there are worse flaws to have. And if you’re implying every aspect of your life would stand up to the scrutiny directed at the average politician–I wouldn’t say that about my own–you’re a liar too.
Tell me Ben, what have you ever done to make your community better where you have lived or currently lived?
Sure, Jack Layton did those things following the socialist didactic dogma, but he did profit from the state. Nothing wrong with that if it’s available, but did he need to take advantage of it rather than take it as an entitlement?
Conservative charity is based on the community giving to the needy until they can fend for themselves, not give them charity for life. If you’d ever volunteered for charity work or tried to do something for your community without any recompense you’d understand that.
Pretty funny….that when you present facts to Israel lovers and prove…WITH FACTS what racists and human (goyim) haters they are…..the first thing they do…..is call you nasty names. Everytime.
You started the name calling, and you presented zero “facts” — just rabid anti-Jew vomit.
Guess I made this up. You Jew lovers are so ignorant of facts it’s simply unbelievable. Israel will get what is coming to it soon enough….
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/toprabbigentilesexisttoserve.htm
Woo hoo! Check out the Talmud cherry-picking of “evidence” by Richard’s source of data, “Rev. Ted Post”. Also read it for the “Rev. Ted Post”s factual errors on dates, casualties, military history, etc.
But, most of all, read it for the easily discernable process of logic[?] which is evident in the argument of “Rev. Ted Post”. You will see that his mis-characterization of the Palestinian naqba can proceed only from an unexamined history of 1948 and the centuries prior to it. “Rev. Post” must ignore the history of the Arabs (especially the Muslim Arabs) in order to establish a foundational assumption of Palestinian innocence. This then becomes the basis for his ability to ignore subsequent Palestinian aggression and atavistic behavior.
I wish I could say that the inductive reasoning of “Rev. Ted Post” was something new or interesting but it is not. It’s just the same-old Jews-are-the-cause-of-our-problems displacement which is a sub-set of peoples’ desire for an over-all conspiracy explantion for why difficulties exist in the world. Such explanations must start with a virgin assumption of a (usually evil) cause born of nothing else and proceed to establish it as the basis for subsequent effects which have produced a world we wish to be different. However, like other simplistic explanations for a complex world of inter-related events, such inductive reasoning relies upon (VERY) carefully-selected supportive evidence (some words from the Talmud and Zohar) and must exclude far more NON-selected evidence from those same sources AND from non-Jewish history.* Like so many simplistic world views, “Rev. Ted Post”s writings thusly transition from basic inductive reasoning into sophistry (at best) or lying (at worst). Either way, the sheer preopnderance of the world’s evidence destroys such reasoning as the far-fetched ravings of an unbalanced mind (belonging to “Rev. Ted Post”).
Now, I am NOT going to attack Richard personally in any way because he has been good enough to show us the source of his beliefs. Instead, let us look at the basis for such beliefs and respectfully point out that UN-isolated facts show “Rev Ted Post”s basic causal assumptions to be in error. Furthermore, that same source’s ignorance of prior and subsequent facts about Palestinian life and politics, as well as the ACTUAL complete (and inter-related) history of Middle Eastern conflicts show it to be of negligible value.
Respectfully, Richard, there are reasons why people support Israel. The overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates that the Jewish views which offend you (and me, too, as a Goy) represent about the same percentage of Jewish belief as “Christian Identity” Klan-ism represents of Christian belief; both are undeniable…but both are also so small as to be irrelevant. What is also undeniable is the FAR more significant fact (for Christians) that God Himself said to Abraham that He would bless those who blessed him [Abraham] and curse those who cursed him [Abraham].
…And how’s that “cursing Jews” thing working out for the Palestinians?
*My favorite “Rev. Ted Post” assertion is when he characterizes Palestinian refugee camps (which were/are actually towns and cities) as “concentration camps”!
Thanks, Jay, for your reasoned response to Richard. In particular – “The overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates that the Jewish views which offend you (and me, too, as a Goy) represent about the same percentage of Jewish belief as “Christian Identity” Klan-ism represents of Christian belief; both are undeniable…but both are also so small as to be irrelevant.”
That’s a very good point. And I think it falls in with what others (and I) have been saying that all religions tend to preach theirs is superior and next to God. Well, all maybe except Buddhism which denies a higher power.
Richard’s other link, which I deleted, contained even more insane garbage that I refuse to repeat here. I will not be used as a means of spreading 911 Truther propaganda as well as “Jews control the world” BS. I’ve read way too much of this crap before, and this blog won’t be used to disseminate such disgusting nonsense. If people want to know the type of link Richard provided, they can Google “Daryl Bradford Smith” — enough said.
However, Natasha, the “Jews control the world” is almost right in one respect: He “whose coming forth has been from everlasting” was born to a Jewish mother…which certainly makes Him Jewish by birth.
And He does rule the universe.
Oh, wait a minute…If I [do my best to] work for Him, then I must be part of a world-wide Jewish conspiracy!
Oh, gosh. Maybe Richard’s sorta right?!?
Heh. Count me in, too, then.
And note to Richard: I keep getting emails from your spam alert thingy. I won’t be emailing you, so I won’t be clicking on your link. If you want to leave a comment, just leave one. But leave out the freak links, please.
I think Natasha should do as Zilla does on her blog. CHARGE TROLLS LIKE YOU A FEE TO POST.
A troll tax?! Son of a… What an excellent idea!
Is it really time to cross that bridge?
Charge a fee for people who don’t agree w you… how open-minded for a left wink pinko…
No, it’s entrepreneurial. And it’s based on ownership and personal property. This is my blog. I pay the yearly fee for the domain; I pay the yearly fee to my hosting provider; and I do all the posting, maintenance, and backing up of the site.
Bob, who is a regular and welcome visitor to this site, identified Richard correctly: He is nothing more than a TROLL who insists on trying to steal traffic from my site to direct to his Jew-hating sites. I won’t allow any more of his links, and I also won’t interact with him. People who do are as lame as he is — they’re troll feeders.
Actually, if you followed this blog at all, you would have known that Bob is as far from being a “left wink (sic) pinko” as a person can get.
U look HIV+…
That comment was uncalled for and disgusting. You are on thin ice. I’ve left it for one reason: so others can see your true nature.
I think you’re confusing those voices inside your head as a source of fact – or reality for that matter. Richard, you can’t disquise your hatreds and antisemitism with fraudulent argument. Take your meds and maybe these voices will stop.
Read up on FACTS and stop defending the most racist group of people on the planet.
Again…..something jew lovers do…..
It’s THEIR facts or no facts…….
If one provides another point of view…..its “BS” and deleted. The link I provided had actual quotes and facts of things that actually happened and quotes that actual jews said and is part of public record. But according to all the defenders of the evil jews………its BS.
Good luck to all of you…….your going to need it…….
Richard, in historically philosophical books as varied as the Talmud and the Zohar you can find a number of crazy things simply because of the size of the volumes and the variety of topics upon which the human authors expound. While there are many Jews who would regard these books as “gospel”, few Jews and, especially, NO Jew of any learning would regard them as having the same standing as the Five Books of Moses (the Torah) simply because the latter is indisputably the word of God Himself. Therefore, such occasional rabbinical craziness as that cited by “Rev. Ted Post” is disregarded by the overwhelming majority of Jews in the same way we Christians disregard the frustrated bile of Martin Luther when we read his prescription for making Jewish life intolerably hard in order to compel their conversion to Lutheranism’s “restored” form of Christianity. Like I said before, such extreme NON-God-inspired beliefs are ONLY accepted by such tiny elements of both Judaism and Christianity as to be irrelevant.
What is indisputable for both faiths, however, are God’s own injunctions. For rabbinical/pharisaical Jews (the only non-Jesus-following Jewish sects who survived the Bar Kochba rebellion of 132-135AD) these injuctions have been overwhelmingly understood to prioritize worship of God and expression of His mercy, first to fellow Jews and then to all “the nations” (“haGoyim”). As inward-looking as many diaspora Jewish communities have been over the last 1875 years, the historical record of Jews has (again, overwhelmingly) been that of people who have not been despotically ambitious as “Rev. Ted Post”s citations suggest.
Please look at the Talmud/Zohar sources (a set of religious/philosophical writings the vast majority of which were collected after the Roman annihilation of the Jewish state) and consider everything written therein in a historical context. It’s not unusual for some extremists to creep in to philosophically political discourse after a national humiliation; just look at Rome between the Punic Wars, France after the Franco-Prussian War, Germany after World War I, etc. Actually, what is really remarkable about the Zofar and Talmud is that they are NOT filled with more vitriol against outsiders after the crushing conquests by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans. This is a better record of positivism than any other people’s historical writings indicate.
Yet, please don’t accept a lack of bitterness compared to other peoples as a reason for a dismissing “Rev. Ted Post”s view of Judaism. Instead look at Judaism’s positive focus as a practical survival strategy: Were ideas such as those posited by the Shas leader to become an accepted part of Jewish culture, Jews KNOW that they would be annihilated yet again. Thusly we have the drastic increase in Jewish secularly positive charitable institutions, (especially over the last century) first in response to the pogroms of the 19th Century and then even more after the Holocaust.
Richard, “Rev. Ted Post”s assertions about Jewish despotic desire don’t stand up under any sort of historical comparison relative to ANY other people, nor do they stand up to any examination of modern Jewish attitudes; his assertions especially fail to stand up to practical survival attitudes of 20th Century Jewry. This doesn’t surprise me since the hatefull fringe has historically existed in Christianity in DIRECT CONTRAVENTION of the Will of Jesus (Yeshua haMeshiach in Hebrew since, of course, the first hundreds of thousands of Christians were Jews). Similarly, we (Christians AND Jews) know (from Genesis) that God held Jews to a higher standard since He selected them to be the point of origin for His salvation of the world; He did that through His gift of the Law (the Torah) which shows how everyone of us needs salvation because we all fail to meet His expectations. It is for this mission that God chose Abraham and blessed him then stipulating that He would continue to ensure Abraham’s descendents survival until they were as numerous as the stars in the sky. Toward that end, God SAID that He would bless those who blessed Abraham and curse those who cursed Abraham…and that promise of God has continued to this day. Therefore, Christians CANNOT engage in hatred of Jews and still be following God’s Will.
Now I mention this principle of Christian theology because THIS is what “Rev. Ted Post” MUST believe if he accepts the Bible as God’s Word; if not, “Rev. Ted Post” is NOT a Christian because he fails to accept the Bible which is the underpinning record of God’s intent, plan, action and promise to Jews, Christians, and all peoples. Period.
Kinda obvious, ain’t it?
As for my identification of the flawed “magical” thinking of “Rev. Ted Post”, I can exegetically shred his writing on historical grounds using entirely non-Jewish sources if you really want me to beat his dead horse with a katana. However, if you yourself apply the principle of Occam’s Razor to his ideas, I am confident you’ll identify the probable fallacies in his arguments without any help from me.
Oh, and by all means, apply Occam’s Razor to my arguments: For me, it will be a nice close shave…but for “Ted” Occam’s Razor will cut off his head.
Ouch.
Jay that was a wonderful dissertation and I whole heartedly agree with much of which you are saying however….its flawed in many ways.
1. The average jewish person regards themselves as “gods chosen people” and considers themselves “above” the rest of us. Anyone who knows jewish people will tell you that.
2. Sephardi jewish people who are the true “direct descendants” of modern Judaism are themselves discriminated against by this group of hook nosed people pretending to be jewish who originated from Kazharia which is modern day southern Russia. They are not even hebrew they are yiddish. These white skinned Kazars treat sepharic (SEMETIC) jews like shit. So is this a case of “playing the race card gone mad?”. Perhaps. But they continue this day to call themselves jews so I will call them jews. Even though they are not. Just look at the phrase Antisemitism. That phrase was invented by white fake jews who are not even themselves Semitic. The definition of Semitic people is: Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic. Yiddish white skinned hook nosed fake jews……are NOT Semitic. That is like me a white Caucasian being born in China and calling myself racially Chinese. Its just not the case. But we are DRILLED INTO OUR HEADS by the plethora (hundreds and hundreds) of jewish organizations that it is. Well like Joseph Goebbles said “Tell a lie enough times to enough people……they will believe it as truth.”
3. If I am such a bigoted hate mongered piece of vomit……maybe someone like yourself who seems to have a great understanding of religion and some understanding of history can answer this question starting off with a preface.
Over the last 1000 years there have been and still are many many different examples of religions and cultures all living together peacefully for the most part. Jews, Muslims, Christians, Pagans, Atheists, Aboriginal peoples etc etc……
Yet only ONE GROUP of people…..have been kicked out of dozens of countries sometimes more than once……….you guessed it……jews.
Please someone answer as to why this is………I have a hard time believing the leaders of these countries decided to just “pick on the jews” when there many different kinds of peoples in those dozens of countries that kicked the jews out.
4. Many countries…….including Canada and the US are controlled by jews. In the US…..you only have to look at Emanuel, Rumsfeld, Wolfiwitz and the dozens and dozens of other jews that run the US Administration.
And the result? 300 years of war and misery. Every war has been invented and run in the background by these people. Look it up before you POST that what I am saying is BS. There is ample evidence.
I truly look forward to your response.
To Richard: Scroll up to the top of this post and note the topic of this post. Continually posting off-topic venomous BS is called TROLLING. This is the FINAL off-topic comment I will allow you to leave.
To Jay: If you respond to such troll comments (i.e. totally off-topic), then you are simply “feeding the troll.”
Ma’am, I don’t normally feed any off-topic posts. Yet, in Richard’s case, there was an opportunity (in the link he provided) to go after the source (“Rev. Ted Post”), rather than the symptom (Richard himself). I, therefore, thank you for your indulgence for allowing me to spray some herbicide* on the poison tree.
Please do allow me to answer Richard’s question about a group of people who have been “kicked out” of more countries than Jews:
The Chinese.
So much for the argument that oppressed status equals intrinsic evil.
Now to paraphrase Chief Joseph (of the Nez Perce):
I will feed the troll no more forever.
*But to get more on topic, let me make the “herbicide” metaphor a little more Jack Layton-relevant: I dusted “Rev. Ted”s bushy ideas with some logical Agent Orange.
If Occam’s Razor was used on the left more often, there’d be many Liberals with self inflicted wounds. They prefer the comfort of their perception than real facts proven in history.
Is this not the same Mr Layton and wife Chow that were kicked out of subsidized housing only after they got caught?
oh sorry he thought of only the rest of Canada, not himself……………….
Be in peace now Jack
Just the day after his death, almost uncouth, but nicely done.
We can continue to hammer Jack-u-Layton after his funeral. Well, I will.
Not willing to speak ill of the recently dead, therefore nothing about Jack Layton.
For Mr. Layton’s insane supporters however, those guys and gals can kiss my fundament.
I agree w Christie Blatchford: journalists need to stop this snivelling, cry-baby bullshit about Layton being dead; he didn’t accomplish fuck all for the country; he’s no Tommy Douglas or Norman Bethune; he emulated them but that’s not the same; journalists are letting their emotion run their “professional detachment”, as Blatchford wrote, because Layton was always playing friendly-friendly w the reporters; you need to be a little more objective than that…
And no, I’m not a right-winger… I just believe in applying critical thinking equally to everyone!
Get ready for a new world order: on one side, cry-babies who’ll sing “Kumbaya” while holding hands at Jackie’s funeral, on the other side the RIGHT side of society: a Conservative government, in a MAJORITY, w Don Cherry who’ll be considered a spiritual leader… enough of the snobbish intellos… and for those who bitch at nasty comments for Jackie’s funeral, it’s FUN to kick pinkos and commies in the fucking head when they’re down… get ready, seriously, what you saw at the G20 Summit in Tiranna will be NOTHING compared to what’s coming in the NEAR future…
A New World Order…
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